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Protest And Police Reform: A Conversation With Sheriff Mike Chitwood And Community Activist Rell Black


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A man wearing a football jersey bearing the number of former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, walks past the Orlando Police Department headquarters on May 31st, 2020. Kaepernick began kneeling during the national anthem in 2016, in protest against police brutality and racial inequality. Photo: Matthew Peddie, WMFE

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In the weeks of protest across the country after the death of George Floyd, there have been calls to change police use of force policies- and calls to defund the police. 

And law enforcement agencies are making changes to their use of force policies– in some cases requiring officers to step in if they see inappropriate use of force. 

But what does ‘defund the police’ actually mean? 

On this episode of Intersection, Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood and Rell Black (Dyrell Johnson), activist and founder of the Community Healing project in Daytona Beach, join host Matthew Peddie for a conversation about protest and police reform. 

Black is recovering after a driver ran over his foot during a recent protest in Daytona Beach.

“Luckily, I had no broken bones, but there seems to be a bit of nerve damage, and it’s a painful process,” said Black.

“But I think in the spirit of activism that comes with it, you know, I’m okay with this because I know, in my heart of hearts, we were doing the right thing. We were spreading a positive, peaceful message. And no matter how anyone feels, you know, they didn’t ruin our mission and they didn’t ruin our goal. So I’m satisfied with that. We’re definitely satisfied.”

Sheriff Chitwood said protests in Volusia County have been peaceful and attended by  a cross section of society.

He said what happened to George Floyd in Minneapolis was “an atrocity and an affront to everything that a person pins a badge on their chest for-  me having done this 33 years. While there are police issues… this is more of a humanity issue. What human being that has empathy in their heart and their soul, would kneel there and continue to apply pressure on another human being who was begging, they can’t breathe and then is calling out for their mother?”

Still, Chitwood doesn’t agree with calls to defund the police.

“I think it’s ludicrous. I think that the people that are screaming to defund the police are playing to a political ideology and throwing out red meat to them,” he said.

Chitwood said the first things to get cut if there are cuts to funding would be training and technology.

“A lot of the things that we handle: mental illness, homelessness, school safety issues, we handle those issues because the federal government and the state government and county government and city government said: ‘We’re not dealing with this. We’re going to turn it over to the cops.’ And that’s why we’re in the position that we’re in now.”

Black said the defunding message is being misinterpreted.

“It’s not saying dismantle the police. It’s not saying close police stations, it’s not saying take police stations out of cities. What it’s saying is for cities like New York City, that have a $6 billion annual budget, you know, it’s saying maybe we should reallocate some of those funds to some of the programs that are going on in the community and to some of those disenfranchised communities that may need those funds.”

Black said investing more in communities can help bring down crime.

“I know that my neighborhood needs help. We need better social services for mental health. We need, you know, food and grocery options,” he said.

“I definitely would love if some of those funds got reallocated.”


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Matthew Peddie

About Matthew Peddie

Host of WMFE's Intersection & Assistant News Director

A recent transplant to the Sunshine State, Matthew Peddie grew up in New Zealand and studied journalism at the University of Western Ontario. After graduating with an MA in Journalism he returned to Christchurch, working as a reporter for Radio Live and Radio New Zealand. He’s reported live from the scene of ... Read Full Bio »

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